Smart Athlete Podcast Ep. 136 - Adrienne Langelier - Developing Humans, Not Athletes

Running has just been something I don’t know if I was exposed to strange chemicals or radiation as a child or anything like that, but it’s always come fairly natural.

[00:00:00] Running has just been something I don’t know if I was exposed to strange chemicals or radiation as a child or anything like that, but it’s always come fairly natural. I have an uncle who I found out actually when I first started running seriously or kind of went into my second running life and graduate school, they’re just like, “Oh yeah, you know that Uncle Doc was the city record holder in the two and four hundred”. I’m like, “No, I did not know that he never talked about it”. So I’m like, “Oh, OK, maybe this doesn’t come from nowhere”.

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Jesse: [00:01:20] Welcome to the Smart Athlete Podcast. I’m your host, Jesse Funk. My guest today has her master’s in clinical psychology. She spent a decade as a counselor in sports psychology consultant. She’s a runner, so at home with me and we’re going to have a lot of good running conversation I’m sure. She’s a registered mentor for the Association of Applied Sport Psychology, which means you can train people entering the field and do some other things, which I’m sure I’ve forgotten she’s going to tell me about. She also recently been added to the registered list of providers for Team USA, which is really cool, as she said before we got going. Overnight success in a decade. One of those things? Welcome to the show, Adrienne Langelier.

Adrienne: [00:02:00] Thanks, Jesse. I’m happy to be here. And wow, you made me sound a whole lot cooler than I actually am. So no pressure. No pressure at all.

Jesse: [00:02:10] Yeah, you know. No, yeah, no pressure. And as we talked about, I knew I was going to stumble over your last name. I just took me a second. My brain got back up,

Adrienne: [00:02:19] Everybody does, don’t worry about it.

Jesse: [00:02:22] It’s one of those things where and if few people, longtime listeners are like, this guy really needs to like, get hooked on phonics or something. But I tried my best because I even though I’ve got four letters in my last time and sometimes people mess it up and I’m just like, “All right”, like, you know, different people. I think if you know you’ve got a difficult last name, you probably live with it and kind of make peace with it. But I stood still —

Adrienne: [00:02:48] You have to.

Jesse: [00:02:49] Try to, you know, do justice for you.

Adrienne: [00:02:53] Appreciate that, Jesse. Appreciate that.

Jesse: [00:02:55] So before we got going, we didn’t get too deep into this. But I have to ask because I asked you, you know, did you run collegiately? And you said, “No, I did not”. And I went, “Excuse me?” because I really thought you had. And you know, you’re telling me that you kind of had a non-traditional I’ll call the career path since running is like an avocation, I guess.

Adrienne: [00:03:21] Oh yeah, it’s my other job that I do that I either don’t get paid or I just make enough to take my friends out to dinner every once in a while. So but it’s still something I spend quite a bit of my time doing.

Jesse: [00:03:34] Right? Right. So can you tell me about how that has like? Progressed over time because you did run in high school, but then didn’t end up doing the collegiate thing, even though it sounds like you had the option and then now you are, you know, getting ready for, you know, marathon here very shortly. So clearly still doing it. So. So walk me through what? What happened?

Adrienne: [00:03:59] Oh, man. Ok, so running has just been something I don’t know if I was exposed to strange chemicals or radiation as a child or anything like that, but it’s always come fairly natural. I have an uncle who I found out actually when I first started running seriously or kind of went into my second running life and graduate school, they’re just like, “Oh yeah, you know that Uncle Doc was the city record holder in the two and four hundred”. I’m like, “No, I did not know that he never talked about it”. So I’m like, “Oh, OK, maybe this doesn’t come from nowhere”. That’s cool. Thanks, Uncle Doc. Appreciate the gift.

Adrienne: [00:04:38] But anyhow, so in other podcasts and people ask me about “Tell me about your first run”, and this is just textbook, Adrienne. I think I just came out the box this way to where I love to run, and I love helping people out. So the family dog got out when I was like five years old and five-year-old me took it upon myself to go find him. So I took off on foot without telling anybody. So I’m pretty sure I ran a good mile or so. I did catch the dog. However, my mom was about to file a missing persons report on me and they were about to send a search. So I came back and I was like, “Why are you worried?” I’m like, I got the dog.

Adrienne: [00:05:31] They’re just like, “Adrienne, you can’t do that”. And of course, in my little child brain, that just wasn’t computing. But that was my first run. And it, you know, again, it was just something that I naturally did. So I’ve kind of noticed how, like my running path and my career path have kind of mirrored each other. And, you know, because kind of the the way I am, you know, I’m really interested in kind of a human experience and that’s kind of how I express myself is through running.

Adrienne: [00:06:03] So anyway, you know, I was just grew up in the San Antonio and Austin area. My family kind of bounced around from there. So I played organized sports as much as I can. Ended up sticking more to soccer because hand-eye coordination in me, it just. It just wasn’t there. So, so junior high came around and I had the opportunity to go out for track. And so I was like, OK, I can run a mile, no big deal and ended up. I still have my district medals from like being a kid in a in a box and one of my drawers at home. Like, they’re probably like completely tarnished and you can’t tell what they are.

Adrienne: [00:06:49] But that’s kind of how it started. And I’m just like, Oh, I actually really like this. But along with that is just kind of the personality style that I have, and I think this is how I can really understand athletes I work with is I tend to be quite perfectionistic, and I would just vibrate with anxiety on the start line.

Adrienne: [00:07:13] So it went from being really cool and like finishing a race was obviously a rush. But the lead up to it was just so uncomfortable and I didn’t have the tools to cope with it at the time. So, you know, I had some success, but then was just like, Well, what do I do with it in each race turned into, well, I have to show people that I am who they think I am and stuff like that. So obviously we had some neuroses to work through. As a youngster, but I jokingly say that I needed somebody like myself so badly, I just decided to assume that role later in life.

Adrienne: [00:07:53] So high school rolled around and I decided I didn’t want the Cross Country coach following me around in the hallways, telling me to go out for go out for Cross. So I was just like, Oh my God, what if I let him down? Like, there was just these this swirl of basically just negative thoughts like doubts and stuff like that. And you know, now now I know I’m just like, Oh, OK, well, that’s just that mind chatter. That’s just doubts. And it’s normal. It’s part of the athlete experience. But neither one of my parents were competitive athletes like, I don’t don’t really come.

Adrienne: [00:08:28] But other than my uncle, I don’t really come from a family of athletes. So I was just kind of making this up and figuring out as as I went. So back to the soccer field, I went because I was fast and aggressive and I had a lot of energy, so spent my time doing that and, you know, had the opportunity to play like a D2 or D3 program. But at the time, finances were an issue. So I just went straight to college and just became, I believe, you know, the college athletes I work with called them NARPs.

Adrienne: [00:09:05] I was a non-athletic regular person for a little bit. And so, yeah, there we go, guys that I laughed quite a bit the first time I heard that and I was like, Well, that’s kind of judgmental, but anyway.

Jesse: [00:09:20] Little bit.

Adrienne: [00:09:23] Yeah so so I, you know, I stayed in shape. I worked as a personal trainer, so I was always adjacent to the sport because I would go run on my own. And, you know, junior senior year I’m studying, I’m getting my undergraduate in psychology at Texas A&M and people I worked with they were into like one of my coworkers ran a marathon. I’m like, Oh, that’s interesting. Like, if this group can do it, maybe I can do it too. Oh, just like, Oh, OK, well, we’ll do a half first. And I was like, Wait, we got to overcome our phobia of racing first.

Adrienne: [00:09:57] So anyway, I started doing a little bit longer runs, which it was just so bush league like I had a Timex Ironman watch. I’m pretty sure I just bought my shoes from like a big box store or something like that, and I would run basically from one side of town to the other and back, and I’d just time it and you know I’d run, you know, 90 100 minutes or something. Just get a long run in. And that’s when I guess, kind of where kind of the base that set me up for my delayed running life kind of started.

Adrienne: [00:10:35] So graduated I was in. I was a first year grad student getting my clinical psychology degree, and I was already kind of the outlier. So I just really leaned into it because that was a sports girl is I wanted to mostly specialize in athletes, you know, I was really interested and kind of that world and crossed over kind of into kinesiology and exercise science. So I fully embraced being the weird girl who got up at six to run before class, before practicum and all that kind of stuff.

Adrienne: [00:11:08] So I had an opportunity to race actually. My first week there, I had a professor. He was, I think, an officer in the local running club. I wanted an A in his class, so he’s like, There’s a 5K this weekend, you should go. And that’s exactly how that guy his name was. Dr. Wilson. That’s exactly how we spoke very matter of. You should come. So I did showed up ended up first overall female by quite a bit, and I’m just like, Oh, that really wasn’t so bad. Maybe I can do this again, which turned into running a half marathon and that was kind of one of those experiences where I had no expectations.

Adrienne: [00:11:54] I’m just like, Wow, I’m just doing this thing. It’s big, it’s unfamiliar. And I start out. It’s a two loop course. I’m in second place, so I’m like, Oh, OK, I guess this is all right. So I’m just kind of running along. And then there’s a point where I pass the leader, and my initial thought was like, Oh my God, what do I do now? People like this grow up to be a sport psychologist, kids, so reach for reach for the stars, anyway. So I was just like, Well, I guess I just run. I like, let’s just see if I can, if I can stay ahead of her.

Adrienne: [00:12:31] So first two races, I ended up winning by a landslide, which kind of, you know, as one of those things I knew I had inside me, but caught me off guard at the same time. So things escalated pretty quickly after that, and about a year later, I had a coach. You know, I’m just slicing time off my PR, so I’m in that patch where I can do no wrong.

Adrienne: [00:12:59] And that’s when I actually took a couple of years after that, I signed my first sponsorship contract, which, you know, I was still kind of like a sea level pro, but I had a stipend and gear and all that kind of stuff from Brooks. So I basically went from being a NARP regular girl to a budding elite athlete in about three years time. So again, it’s that that whole outlier thing is so it was it was a cool experience kind of having the sponsors, but again, it came with. You know, just kind of learning how to do this, learning how to take care of my body and all that kind of stuff because I was running pretty high volume, my workouts were pretty intense and you know how to feed myself all that kind of stuff to where that lasted a couple of years. I started getting stress fractures and stuff like that. And then I kind of went back to, OK, can I even do this? You know, I went from kind of way exceeding the expectations I had for myself to having to like, rebuild from the ground up, which is a challenge and really frustrating. But at the end of the day, I love the sport, know I want to be be involved in it any way I can.

Adrienne: [00:14:24] So I stuck around and I kind of learned and this is something that I try to teach my athletes to is you have to meet yourself where you’re at. Because what I found that didn’t work when I was trying to come back from an injury is comparing my present self to a version of myself from the past. Like, it’s like that. That was great. But it’s, you know, I think that it’s all that’s going to do is just keep you stuck. If you’re trying to move backwards, like that’s already happened. We can’t we can’t continue to exist and project ourselves into the past like progress happens right now. So that was one of the biggest lessons that I learned.

Adrienne: [00:15:07] So within the, you know, that was a period that lasted, you know, a good three or four years, I’d make some progress. I’d get hurt again and have to do all that work on myself concept that like, look, I’m not fragile. You know, it’s because there’s just this idea that I that there’s this perception is just like, Oh, I just have the injury prone label now. Like, I can only do so much. I can only have so much success, which, you know, maybe it was true for a time. But we progress like we don’t have to stay in the same place that we are currently. So fast forward, I’ve been working with a coach, Dave Ames, for the past year or two.

Adrienne: [00:15:55] So actually we started working together during the pandemic, so we had a lot of time to like, build up a base and kind of really prepare for where we are now. And he’s been really good about keeping me in the present. And he was just like, Adrian, you don’t have to go. You don’t have to go crazy right now. It’s like, there’s nothing available. We just need to get really strong. So that became the focus from 20 20 on, and that’s when I was on a run kind of back when things were looking pretty apocalyptic and I started saying I was like, Man, I’d actually which I for a while I swore off the marathon.

Adrienne: [00:16:35] I love doing the halves, and all that kind of stuff have had pretty decent success for a girl who works full time and stuff like that might. I think I can do this and you know, I think I can actually still put down a halfway decent performance so that planted the seed. And then, you know, here, here comes Dave. Two years later, I’m eight days out from my first marathon in 12 years. Convoluted winding path. Hopefully, some of that made sense, but, that’s so we started chasing a Shih-Tzu down the streets of San Antonio to being a “child prodigy”, so to speak. Ok. Yeah. And in junior high to not much, to a lot to injured to now.

Jesse: [00:17:31] Well, it’s always, you know, it’s always easier to construct a story looking backwards and looking forwards because we don’t know what’s going to happen going forward. I mean, that’s maybe that’s part of your job, right? Is trying to like mentally construct the story you tell yourself about going forwards like you mentioned about that interior label. I’m just injury prone. Like, I just get injuries. I mean, that’s a story you’re telling yourself about both who you been and who you’re going to be. Right?

Adrienne: [00:18:00] Right. And our brains are wired for story is we create that. And yes, there’s a there’s a hard reality out there that we can’t change. But I think when it comes to perception of what we’re actually capable of, I think we pull too much sometimes from current circumstances, which those circumstances are temporary.

Jesse: [00:18:26] I think that’s always difficult, especially when you’re injured, because that’s I mean the pits.

Adrienne: [00:18:33] Oh, for sure.

Jesse: [00:18:34] You know, you’re in this dark hole and you’re like, you don’t feel good and you know, things hurt and you’re like, If I ever feel good again goes, you know, those negative spot thoughts and you go down this spiral and it’s it can be difficult to get out of it, especially if you don’t have anybody to to bounce ideas off of a coach or, you know. Counselor consultant like you, because otherwise you’re just hearing all the echoes of your mind instead of having like some kind of outside interjection to kind of throw that wheel off balance a little bit and go, wait, wait a second like, let’s let’s try to think about this a little bit more.

Jesse: [00:19:25] I did want to back up a little bit. You you basically mentioned, you know, having the performance anxiety when you were younger and then becoming who you needed. I don’t know if this is simply a stereotype of mine. I also one of my major undergrad majors in psychology. I don’t know, so I don’t know if it’s a stereotype of mine, but it feels like many people, at least in the undergrad section. I don’t know if it is continuing on from there or, you know, end up specializing in the thing that they feel like they needed one of those, you know, they were kids or growing up or whatever like they feel. You know, this is conjecture on my part, obviously, but I feel like it’s like. It’s almost a situation of there’s such a gap it affects you so negatively that like you’re looking for the best outlet to fix it in the best avenue you can find is simply to become the solution.

Adrienne: [00:20:31] Well, and I think we’re all kind of looking for our best self, and I know that sounds very cliche. And so we kind of get on that path of trying to figure out OK with the knowledge and experiences that I have. What can this look like? And getting to a point to where we overcome these obstacles, I know I can only speak for myself. But I was just like, you know, because of the adversity and because of the things that I’ve dealt with, I’m very well equipped to be able to hear somebody when they’re injured or if they’re struggling with some kind of mental health issue or something like that is it’s really it’s easier to make that connection.

Adrienne: [00:21:20] It’s a whole lot more natural if it’s something that you already know, kind of the same thing like people who have gone through ACL tears or something like that, major surgery, a lot of them become physical therapists. Yeah. We’re all we’re all just. I don’t remember who it was, but I remember hearing this quote that said, “Don’t waste your suffering”. It sounds really intense. I mean, it kind of is, but there’s if we really think about it, I guess it’s one. It kind of falls into that. It’s like, OK, why would we waste our suffering? Let’s use it for something good.

Jesse: [00:22:01] I’m trying to remember, gosh, it’s been. I try to look up these. I try to anticipate what episodes I might reference and then look them up beforehand. It has been a minute, so it’s going to take me a minute to find this guest. It was like back in episode series, season one, I think, in the podcast. Can I even find it?

Adrienne: [00:22:24] I don’t know. I don’t have a camera, so I can’t help you.

Jesse: [00:22:29] I know I can find I can do it. I believe in me. Yeah. Doctor Keith Barr. It’s one of my most popular episodes. Back episode. So gosh, what is that episode 30? Going back a hundred and some episodes here, I just remember talking to him and he said, you know, I think it was him. I just talked a lot of like exercise physiologists. So if it wasn’t him, then whoever said, I apologize. But he said something about, you know, why all these people become exercise physiologists and it’s like a lot of them wanted to be professional athletes and just didn’t have the physicality to do it. And now they want to know why.

Adrienne: [00:23:17] Interesting.

Jesse: [00:23:17] So, you know, talking about like not wasting your suffering, I mean, that’s it’s a different kind of suffering in that like you have an aspiration and you don’t achieve it.

Adrienne: [00:23:26] Pivoting is what it is —

Jesse: [00:23:28] Right! Right.

Adrienne: [00:23:30] Being flexible, it’s like, OK, I’m still interested in this. So I’m going to take this passion, take this interest and funnel it into a place to where, OK, I can actually serve and make an impact. Yeah, yeah. And that’s like, I’m arguing, I’m just like, Yes, we’re not broken people. We just love this stuff.

Jesse: [00:23:52] Something like that, you know, I think that’s how I’ve dealt with that. You know, I told you and any listener knows, I spent nearly a decade trying to become a pro in triathlon. Didn’t quite make it. So I’ve gone through that like mentality myself of dealing with the like. You’re not as good as you destroy you told yourself you could be or whatever, you know, in dealing with that whole situation and pivoting, I think, is the. I don’t know, maybe not the easiest, but maybe it’s the easiest way to cope really is like taking that energy because you still have that aspiration doesn’t just disappear all of a sudden, you know, maybe it’s injured, but it doesn’t just like, go away. And taking that like energy and motivation and then directing it in another path? I don’t know.

Adrienne: [00:24:50] I think, you know, especially in the athletic world is, you know, it’s sports people tend to stay sports people, you know, to to a degree and something that a conversation I have quite often in my office is, you know, let’s say somebody doesn’t make it to the level they want to make it or they have to medically retire or some really difficult circumstance like that is OK. What you being an athlete did not make you who you are, who you are gave you the success in your athletic endeavors.

Adrienne: [00:25:27] So we want to take that and how can we apply it? Like you may not get the same rush as crossing a finish line or something like that. But it can still, it can look different, but it can still be really rewarding. And I know, you know, of course, I would have loved to gone fat, love to have gone faster and stuff like that. I guess still do. But anyway, it’s like, I’m like, I’m going to take what made me the runner that I am. And how can this make me better as a therapist? How can this make me better with the people I’m working with? And, you know, I noticed that kind of when I talk to peers is just naturally, it’s like I’m willing to go a little bit farther to help somebody.

Adrienne: [00:26:17] And you kind of have developing that patience, developing that resilience that you need because, you know, I hear anything from what I have the Olympic trials coming up to, you know, somebody who’s really going through something difficult, like a major depressive episode or something along those lines. And I have to hold the line for them.

Jesse: [00:26:45] Your —

Adrienne: [00:26:45] So I draw back from the experiences that I’ve had as a lifelong athlete and I mean like, OK, this is a really difficult circumstance right now, but what’s one thing I can do that’s going to help me that is going to help this person? What can we do right now that is going to move us even just the slightest bit forward?

Jesse: [00:27:07] Yeah, you’re you’re. Your thought about. You know, being an athlete itself was not who you are. Didn’t make you who you are. It was who you are made you the athlete you were.

Adrienne: [00:27:22] Absolutely!

Jesse: [00:27:23] That idea makes me think about. And I don’t know how many times I mentioned this conversation, because sometimes things just stick in my brain this way. Speaking to Kim Vandenberg, who’s Bronze medalist swimmer in the Beijing Olympics episode ninety seven. For those that want to listen to Kim and stay to the end to listen to her play piano, which is on point with the point I’m about to make, that’s impressive. She she talked about the swimmers, the young swimmers that she coaches now, and she coaches like, I’ll say, juniors, but like really young athletes.

Jesse: [00:28:04] But, you know, I think she told about one particular young girl who, you know, basically wanted to be like Kim, I want to go to the Olympics and do all these things and. You can mention to her, we’re counting the story that like you need, you need something else besides just swimming, like you need other things that you do.

Adrienne: [00:28:27] Absolutely.

Jesse: [00:28:28] And I think that’s the beginning of understanding that this one thing is not a defining characteristic of your identity, even though it’s so easily can be.

Adrienne: [00:28:42] I’m so glad we’re going this direction.

Jesse: [00:28:44] Yeah. And so she uses as like a, almost like a preventive measure. So instead of like. You know, say somebody who only swam or only ran or whatever, and now they have to medically retire and there is no possibility of coming back, and now they have to come to you and pick up the pieces. It’s like they already have some of that in place where it’s like, I already do some of these other things and I can direct my focus and energy these ways as well instead of hanging my hat only on. I am a runner and if I’m not a runner, then who am I?

Jesse: [00:29:17] I don’t know how many, you know, I can’t think of all the conversations because I’ve had so many of them on on this show of that transition that we all go through. I mean, you know, Mark Allen, you and I were talking about that. You listen to the Mark Allen. So we talked a little bit about the transition and he talks about how to compete nowadays that. You know, he he can’t compete with the top guys in Ironman. He’s just he’s too he’s too old, but we all deal with that transition regardless of whether we’re six time Ironman World Champion or Joe Blow running at the back of the pack. Like, yeah, we all deal with transitions. And I think practicing that mentality from an early age hopefully is setting up like young athletes for a developing future —

Adrienne: [00:30:13] Developing a human —

Jesse: [00:30:14] Right.

Adrienne: [00:30:15] Not just an athlete, and, you know, I think that’s one thing that youth sport, we’re starting to see some shifts in that. And I think I want to see this trend continue because that’s where it all starts. Is is I I say I work with humans who just happen to be athletes. Same same thing with these coaches is, OK, this is not the end. All be all is this is something you do. You get to do this. And one thing an analogy I like to think of. People look at me kind of weird when I say it, but I say it anyway.

Adrienne: [00:30:52] Picture kind of your sense of self, like a chair or a table or something like that. It needs to be stable. You know, if we’re if we only have one or two legs, OK, that thing’s going to fall, it’s going to crash. So we have to have multiple facets of our identity like, you know, for me, yes, I run. Yes. You know, I work in the mental health and sports psych world. But you know, family is important to me. My relationships are important to me.

Adrienne: [00:31:25] You know, when I think about, OK, there may be a day, I can’t do this anymore or I don’t want to, I start thinking like, OK, what do I want my life to look like? And I get excited. And it’s not that like, Oh, I’m done with running, but it’s like, OK, I can move into these other spaces. And of course, you know, maybe I’ll miss being fast, but there’s a whole lot more to me than how quick my legs turn over. Is that definitely doesn’t make somebody any better.

Jesse: [00:31:55] Right. Well, I think. In simply just a different way to think about it, but for people to find that thing that they love and for us, maybe that’s running. I think sometimes. Because of your like, because you develop such a deep love for whatever thing it is, you know, obviously in the context of this podcast, it’s often athletics of some sort. Sometimes I feel like you get blinded by like this is the only thing I could ever love. Maybe it’s like, maybe it’s like a high school crush the first time you fall in love, it’s like,

Adrienne: [00:32:31] Oh yeah, I can, I can see that.

Jesse: [00:32:34] That’s the only thing I can’t. I can’t imagine ever loving anything as much as I love this thing. It’s like we all know as we get older and experience more things like, that’s not true. Yeah. So this life has so many possibilities and so many things that there’s sort of things you don’t know that you don’t know.

Adrienne: [00:32:51] Yeah. When it goes back to that. Yes, our emotions. We need them our feelings. It’s kind of part of it’s part of the human experience. However, they’re not very trustworthy. Most of the time. So you feel like, Oh, this is it. This is all all I have. No, I mean, and once we get past kind of some of the really raw stuff, you start seeing that. Ok, maybe I can love other things, and that’s OK. It’s like we want our identities to be negotiable.

Jesse: [00:33:29] Right. Right. I also think about I’m not sure how this is only tangentially related. You’re talking about earlier winning the races, and I was thinking about one of my races when I came back, I did a video on this. If you’re on the YouTube channel, you like my July race report from Fourth of July run. But there was a girl that ended up in front of me. I think girl young early 20s. And I was like, she was like passing me. I was like cheering her on and. It thinking about like the shift in my own mentality towards I’m not like. Zen master, egoless, but like that direction where it’s like I’m not as attached to —

Adrienne: [00:34:16] Outcome

Jesse: [00:34:17] The outcome, right? It’s just like. How did I do that day, like it doesn’t matter, like the girl stuck out to me because I was already several, like plenty of guys that had passed me. But just like, you know, so I think I think about it because, you know, there’s some of that like kind of toxic culture, sometimes with with men where it’s like, Oh, you can’t let a girl beat you or whatever. It’s like, is she better than you? So what?

Adrienne: [00:34:44] Like, right? You got it. You got to appreciate what you’re witnessing,

Jesse: [00:34:49] Right? You know, and like, like, I always joke that I had the privilege to pace Renee Miranda car free around a lap at Ironman Ironman 70.3, Texas because I was basically running with the second place girl and then Renee was like, behind us. We’re all running like six minute miles. They’re like finishing the race. I’m just starting to run. But anyway, my point being like it, it’s interesting to see how it’s like you brain shifts over time when you get past those like emotions of. You know that that ego, we’re like, Oh. Or the story or whatever, I have to be the best or I can’t let anybody beat me. Right. And you begin to observe the world from a little bit more detached perspective and realize how you’ve kind of been in your own way, especially –.

Adrienne: [00:35:43] When you’re setting goals that are unfortunately quite fragile —

Jesse: [00:35:47] Right. Right.

Adrienne: [00:35:49] So now, like the marathon I’m about to do is I’d like to do simple visual cues like I’ll usually write a word on my hand. Yeah, OK, OK. When I happen to check a split, what else do I want to see besides my GPS? I’m not a huge girl anyway, so it’s nice to have the distraction. And I think what the the based on the last marathon I did, which I thought it was going to be my most successful one kind of ended up and not disaster. It was, it was. I learned a lot. It felt like a disaster at the time is antifragile.

Adrienne: [00:36:30] That’s kind of going to be the word is it’s just like, Yes, I want to do well. But more importantly, I want to be present and have the best experience possible because this is an opportunity. This is not like no matter what happens is, you know, I’m still me. I’m still goofy, Adrienne, that hopefully people like to be around and, you know, we’re still going to have a good time afterwards.

Jesse: [00:37:00] Yeah. Adrienne as we’re getting close on time here. I have to ask you a question which if you watch the Mark Allen episode, you already know the question. Unfortunately, I always like to spring it on people. But this season’s question, which is perfect for you, maybe it’s a psychological insight, is I want to know how do you celebrate your wins?

Adrienne: [00:37:23] How do I celebrate my wins? A large pizza? No, I’m just kidding. Well, OK, sometimes —

Jesse: [00:37:33] Sounds like a genuine answer.

Adrienne: [00:37:33] Yeah, I know. But how do I celebrate honestly? Is, a win, isn’t necessarily first place anymore? It’s OK. Did I overcome a rough patch? Did I do something previously that I didn’t think I could do before? And actually, what I like to do is just kind of sit and reflect on it and just think like, you know what? I did that. And you know, and and just kind of just kind of sit in that positive emotion because it’s like, I’m not always going to have that win.

So we do need to kind of be in the moment and appreciate it and kind of have that have that sense of gratitude. So, you know, I kind of take some time, you know, obviously, I’ll have the post-race meal or whatever that is, but I let myself be happy with what I just did. Like, I try not to think too far ahead because I know a lot of athletes are guilty of that, but it’s just just stay present and be grateful for what you just did. How’s that for esoteric? We went from we went from a large pizza to gratitude.

Jesse: [00:38:49] Hey, esoteric, my jam. So that’s that’s always perfectly fine with me. Adrienne, where can people find you? Get in touch? Check out what you’re up to, all that kind of stuff.

Adrienne: [00:38:59] Uh, Instagram, I have a website, it’s my last name, if you have show notes, just look it up in the show notes it’s

Jesse: [00:39:07] A yeah, if you’re on YouTube, it’s on the screen. If you’re not, it’ll be in the show notes.

Adrienne: [00:39:11] Yeah, it’s “langelierspc”. And actually, I just I just rebranded. So it is also My Instagram. I’m pretty active there. My practice is called Peak Counseling and Sport Psychology. So @peak_tx is my practice. And if you want to follow my personal account, you’re just going to see a lot of running and dogs.

Jesse: [00:39:39] I mean, that’s that seems like that’s probably —

Adrienne: [00:39:43] Then again I think that’s the demographic of everybody listening to this. Come to think about it. So, yeah, so essentially it’s what you see is what you get with my online presence, but I’m trying to spend a little bit more time on the professional Instagram kind of build that up a little bit.

Jesse: [00:40:02] Adrienne, thanks so much for hanging out with me today.

Adrienne: [00:40:04] This is fun. Thanks for having me.

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