Smart Athlete Podcast Ep. 156 - Krissy Moehl

The community aspect to these events, including if you go to a race over a weekend or these festivals of gathering time, running and with music, there’s so much more that’s come up in the last, I would say 5 to 10 years, especially specific to like ultra and trail running. Ultra and trail running talk about niche.
Smart Athlete Podcast Ep. 156 - Krissy Moehl

[00:00:00] The community aspect to these events, including if you go to a race over a weekend or these festivals of gathering time, running and with music, there’s so much more that’s come up in the last, I would say 5 to 10 years, especially specific to like ultra and trail running. Ultra and trail running talk about niche. Like when I got into this term, there weren’t a lot of people that looked like me that were doing the sport 20 to 23 years ago.

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Jesse: [00:01:14] Welcome to Smart Athlete Podcast. I’m your host Jesse Funk. My guest today is a very well-known ultra runner. She’s an ambassador for Patagonia and has been for quite some time. She has top finishes, including a second in two fourths at the Western States 100, a win at the Vermont 100 endurance race. She’s a 2-time champion of UTMB, it’s Ultra Trail du Mont Blanc, if you’re not familiar, the youngest female to finish the Grand Slam of running, author of Running Your First Ultra. Currently, taking on running clients. So if you’re looking to get into running or take your route to the next game, you’re going to want to get in touch with her. You can find her on Instagram and Twitter at Krissy Moehl. Welcome to the show, Krissy Moehl. 

Krissy: [00:01:59] Hi there. Thanks for having me on.

Jesse: [00:02:00] Yeah, thanks for being here. I know before we got going, which you, the listener are not privy to this part of our conversation. Krissy is going to be hitting the road here soon. So just, you know, cramming everything in. So I appreciate the time. I guess the big question is, are you headed out to a race or you headed out to train? Are you maybe taking a vacation? I know we’re talking about being busy. Where are you headed out to?

Krissy: [00:02:26] I get to head down to California and join the Patagonia team. We’re headed to a Foxy Festival training weekend in Mammoth, California. So representing Patagonia and getting to run with a bunch of great women and people that identify as women and the beautiful mountains of mammoths. I’m looking forward to that.

Jesse: [00:02:47] So what does what does that consist of? I guess I am. I kind of. I have a running background, endurance background, but I’ve never really dipped my toes into the ultra scene, so. Is it just like, “Hey, we’ve got group runs all weekend”, or there’s an actual race together? Like, what does the event kind of consist of?

Krissy: [00:03:08] It’s actually a first time event and headed out to check it out. There’s running for all levels, abilities, interests. So from technical to technical and long to any range of distances, long being, I think upwards of 15 miles was the longest run and then 1 to 2 miles. So just really inclusive and open to exposing people to the community of trail running. So I’m looking forward to it.

Jesse: [00:03:35] It sounds like an interesting event. One thing I think is like. It can be tough. And I’ve heard this from some people that can comment on the other show I do just about running on the YouTube channel is like, how do I find a group to run with? Or How do I get into running? And sometimes it’s like. I feel like it’s it’s just as easy as head out your door and run. But also, I acknowledge that, like not everybody is.

[00:04:05] There are some people that are much more social than me, so I feel like maybe it’s an easier jumping off point to go like there’s a thing going on and like, let’s go check it out and go for a run. And having the opportunity to be a part of an event is probably a pretty cool way to like both continue running and also get introduced to trail running in particular, which is not as widespread as like road running.

Krissy: [00:04:34] Yeah. The community aspect to these events, including if you go to a race over a weekend or these festivals of gathering time, running in with music, there’s so much more that’s come up in the last, I would say 5 to 10 years, especially specific to like ultra and trail running. Ultra and trail running talk about niche. Like when I got into this term, there weren’t a lot of people that looked like me that were doing the sport 20 to 23 years ago.

[00:05:02] And just to see the progression in the sport is really cool and really the focus on being in an inclusive, inviting sport because it is it is a pair of shoes. And shoes can be super expensive, so there can be some limiting factors. Access is another one. Sometimes if you don’t live right in the mountains, I’m lucky to do up here in Bellingham, Washington. Access can be a limiting factor.

[00:05:28] So having these events that gather people in special places, whether they’re races or festivals, that’s way more common now and then, trying to have these opportunities where scholarships are available, inviting people to make it be more representative. It’s cool to see the sport continue to grow and expand where, like I said, not a lot of people that looks even like me 22 years ago.

Jesse: [00:05:58] What I’ve had a kind of a spate of ultra runners this season that I talk to and which not to downgrade this town because it’s a wonderful place. I’ve been there. But it seems like everybody I talked to was like, I live in Boulder, I live in Boulder. I live in Boulder because there’s such great trail access. But I’m also at the same time I go like, “Are there trails elsewhere in the US?”, “Why?”, “Is it because the altitude is like”, what’s the history behind? Why is Boulder become such a mecca? I guess for the sport because it seems like.

[00:06:39] And maybe this is the introvert in me. I go, “Is it part of the allure of trail running?”, like I say, communing with nature, for lack of a better term, but just like being out and experiencing the trail and maybe not being where everybody else is.

Krissy: [00:06:58] If I’m understanding your question correctly, that Boulder is the main hub, and I would actually push back and say there are a lot of amazing hubs in the sport and it used to be pretty focused on the West like it would be very central or the hub of trail running was like Boulder or Seattle and Ashland, Oregon became one when Hal Kirner opened his shop down there. And of course, Auburn, California, with Western states or now there’s like back east, at least the Eastern Seaboard, Midwest, there’s hubs popping up all over and it’s both out of interest and realizing accessibility within some of these locations.

[00:07:43] It’s I get more and more emails from places that I didn’t even communicate with when I first got into sport in the early 2000s. A lot of our I was a montreal athlete coordinator, Montrose, a footwear brand, and all of our athletes were based on the West Coast, essentially. And then we’d have a few speckled here and there in the Midwest and the Eastern Seaboard, and now there’s events popping up communities. 

[00:08:08] Gina Lucrezi started a organization called Trail Sisters and Trail Sisters has running communities all over the States, even a few international now. So just yeah, again, back to that growth of the sport and how access for a lot of people is becoming thankfully more prevalent.

Jesse: [00:08:28] I guess maybe one of my curiosities is like. Where do people come from? And I don’t necessarily mean geographically, but like. Where? Why do people get into ultra specifically? You know, because you think about what I think about like the barrier to entry. I would consider it pretty high and that takes a fair amount of time. You’re often going to have to travel much like triathlon. There’s there is a barrier to entry in terms of, as you mentioned, accessibility. But, you know, the sport is clearly seeing good growth right now. So do you have any kind of sense of like where or why people are coming to the sport specifically?

Krissy: [00:09:17] My guess is there’s a lot. Like way back when I got into the sport, there wasn’t like YouTube or social media or these videos, these beautifully produced running videos. The first running videos, especially of trails, were so shaky and bouncy. And that’s that was even like five, ten years into the sport for myself. So there’s like the view, like the ability to view it, even if you haven’t tried it is way higher. Like the access point before was this black and white magazine called Ultrarunning Magazine, period.

[00:09:51] And now there’s so many points of entry just for visual and then having communities popping up all over. There’s I mean, the best way in, in my opinion, is having someone say, hey, you should come join me for a run. And that’s how I was invited into the community, because you learn so much from the people that you get to surround yourself with and that community just really sucked me in on many levels.

[00:10:17] One, the physical aspect I loved where my legs were able to take me, and two this communal adventure of being out in these beautiful spaces and then sharing stories of what happens while you’re out there. I just I think those because those stories are communicated on a much broader level anymore from podcasts to social media to videos, movie festivals. There’s so many points that you could kind of learn about it.

[00:10:45] And then if you have that one person that invites you out for a run, it seems like an easy, easier access. And then I understand that the gear can be expensive. I just compared to other sports that have like dive suits or bicycles or fancy helmets or climbing gear or whatever, there’s there’s a lot less necessary to get going. It can get expensive. But as a starting point, like anybody can go run a mile and see if they like it. You don’t have to have a harness or a bicycle or something to see if you like it. You can just hopefully a pair of shoes would be accessible and and try it out.

Jesse: [00:11:27] That was always my not always, but that’s one of my big complaints about triathlon is that the bigger barrier to entry because the bikes get so expensive so quickly enough that they have to be expensive because you can take anything out but just, getting people into that sport is is tough because of just the laundry list of equipment that’s required.

[00:11:50] And even though I enjoyed my time in the sport, I often would go back to being like “Oh, I wish I could just go to a race and bring my shoes and have my race jersey, my shorts”. Like, I’m good. Like, you got your chafe balm and you got extra little things, but, like, it’s not this whole huge pack of stuff you’ve got to lug with you. I think about, I guess when I think about. Running or I think about ultras. Again, I haven’t been in the community, so I don’t have firsthand experience.

[00:12:30] But to me, it almost has this like. I guess it’s a mystique of, like, almost, like, untouched wilderness kind of idea, like. What is sports? Very young. It’s, as you mentioned, niche. You often have very quirky individuals. I mean that in an endearing way. And just like there’s a certain, like, vibe to the sport. You’ve been in the sport for a number of years now. Does it still maintain the same feeling, ethos, vibe that it had when you got into it, or do you feel it changing?

Krissy: [00:13:11] I think there’s pockets of both. I’m the race director of the Chuckanut 50k here in Bellingham. This was my 20th year as race director and when I took over the event in 2003, I had friends from high school that came out and wrote down everybody’s time. I remember registration was me delivering stacks of entry forms to the local running stores between Seattle and Bellingham, and then those being mailed into me with a $13 check and me having to type them all up into an Excel spreadsheet.

[00:13:43] So I’d have the list, the starters list of runners. I mean, just sign up. Didn’t even exist when I took over the Chuckanut 50k and the evolution of the sport to have chip timing and online registration. And my mom used to make food that we would serve at the finish line and now we have food trucks. Like there’s so much like shift and change, but it’s still there’s the local community vibe of the Chuckanut 50k that I think because the I partner with Kevin Douglas and Tyler Pooley and we all have the three of us have this passion for the event that and the community close to it.

[00:14:23] Before I moved back to Bellingham, I actually lived in Boulder for a while, so I was a part of the Boulder running community for four years. But when I before I even moved back to Bellingham, people didn’t know who the race director of the  Chuckanut 50k was. They just knew that that was the local 50k.

[00:14:40] And so the local community support, the running community support, the national and international athletes that come to attend to it all get to feel that. I mean, there’s somewhat of an old school vibe to it while still having modern, modern day add ons, I guess, if you will.

And I think you can feel that around the country in events, whether they’re still having you handwrite your finish time when you cross the finish line or they’ve got full-blown live tracking and cameras following the athletes along the course, the sport has grown a ton and has a lot of these additions, and yet there’s still opportunities to find like a local fat ass that people aren’t even tracking their times. They just come together to have an event.

Jesse: [00:15:33] So I want to back up a little bit if I’m doing my math right. You’re getting into ultras and taking over the Chuckanut 50k around the same time. Is that accurate?

Krissy: [00:15:45] I did I ran the Chuckanut 50k is my first Ultra in 2000 and Doug McKeever and Richard West were the race directors at that time. In 2002, they decided that that was their last year and that was their 10th year as race directors and nobody took it on. So at 24 years old, with my heart wide open to the sport, I just couldn’t let my first ultra go away.

[00:16:07] And so I took it on as race director in 2003, unknowingly. Now, looking back, 20 years of my life has been dedicated to putting on that event. The nice thing is, is it’s a pretty concentrated effort from like, say, November through April. It’s always the third Wednesday or excuse me, the third Saturday in March. So there’s some wrap up after and then there’s this long extended break that there’s plenty of other things that fill my calendar and then it can come back refreshed and go for it again. So who knows how long I’ll do it.

Jesse: [00:16:42] I mean, you seem to be on a roll so far. I mean, I saw this you were the race director, but I guess I hadn’t realized you had been doing it for quite such a long time. And it seems like. Do you think it was easier to take on because you didn’t? Maybe I’m putting words in your mouth, so please correct me. Did it seem like maybe it was easier to take on because you didn’t really know what you were getting into at that time? I’m just thinking about my own, like early twenties and being like, “Sure, I’ll do it.” Like, you just don’t know yet, like what’s difficult. So you go like, “Sure, I’ll try it out. Why not?”

Krissy: [00:17:19] Yeah, fair enough. I really still feel like the driving force was. I really didn’t want the event to go away. That’s what I wanted. Then I was the one to step in and do it. So that was definitely the instigating driving force. But I relate to what you’re saying because I’ve been offered other events to take over and race direct and I don’t. I’m one time of year. I’m good for that.

Jesse: [00:17:44] It seems like it would be difficult, especially if you would just like just kind of an intense effort for several months to start stacking those on top of each other or overlapping to try to get it going unless you had some kind of extra help.

Krissy: [00:18:00] Yeah. And I’ve got a great team. I love working with Tyler and Kevin. We’ve worked together for six years now on the event, so they’ve got full ownership of each of their respective parts and we collaborate weekly on a call. We had to take a two-year break from the in person. We actually worked probably even harder trying to piece together things that we could during the pandemic to keep the event just present and offer to the community that we’ve created around Chuckanut something.

[00:18:33] But I’ll be the first to admit it’s nothing like the in-person. Like I. I definitely thrive in gathering people and really struggled with trying to do a virtual anything. That’s just not where my wheelhouse has been. I’m, I’m a total extrovert and love the energy that happens when you pull people together and creating a vibe and a space and an open canvas for whatever will come that day.

[00:18:58] So putting all the things in place with the hands up of what is going to happen by providing food trucks and a 50k course and a grand finish line and an announcer and music. What happens? What stories come out of like putting those pillars in place for the energy to flow around? It’s really I love restricting that way. But again, the in-person is where I’m better at. There’s people that do the virtual stuff way better than I could do.

Jesse: [00:19:29] Yeah, no worries. That doesn’t kind of lead me to want to ask you about. I ask many of the ultra runners about this, as I’ll say, work-life balance. But work is kind of like work and running. Is there a balance? Does it matter? Like what is your day, week, that kind of thing look like.

Krissy: [00:19:52] In terms of? What keeps me busy or like —

Jesse: [00:19:56] Or just like, how does your week unfold? If you’re still you’re training for stuff or you’re training people or you’re doing the structure thing, like how do you keep it all under wraps, I guess?

Krissy: [00:20:09] Oh, I’d say it fluctuates. Sometimes it’s balance in the extremes. So like, like moving fast and like getting lots done in a short amount of time, like this spring was for me and then actually forced injury kind of took me down for some months. But the exact opposite extreme of like chill settling, calming my nervous system. So I prefer to not live in those extremes. Sometimes just the way I’ve set up life, it kind of spring. It needed to go that way. I bought a house, launched a book and put on the Chuckanut 50k all within two weeks.

[00:20:45] So the two, almost three months leading up to that were pretty hectic knowing that that was all going to culminate at the same time. And then a week after, two weeks after that, I left and hiked on the Arizona trail. I did. I joined two great girlfriends. We did an interview on Ginger on her live. That was a lot of fun to rehash it, but we did the first 200 miles from the Mexico border. We hiked 200 miles north on the Arizona trail.

[00:21:11] And I came home from that April 15th, so not even a month after Chuckanut and less than two months after moving into this house and had some more stress, a little like around the house when I got back and my back went out and it’s like I can’t help but think that it was the culmination of all those things. A lot of people were like, “What were you on a ladder?” Or “Did you do one motion?”, and it’s I think our lives and our bodies are so — our bodies show a lot of what’s going on in our lives.

[00:21:41] And I pushed the envelope knowingly and then got pushed a little bit further and my back shut me down. So that tipped the scales and threw the balance in another direction. So I guess to answer your question, none of my days or weeks look the same. There’s a lot of different buckets, I think is the way I describe what some people might call their career. My existence is in coaching and race directing and writing and my personal life and all those things.

[00:22:13] At any given point I’m putting more energy into and therefore getting resources in and out of. And those are kind of like a pie chart where the wedges are always changing in terms of how much is going into each. So like I said before, with Chuckanut November to mid-April, there’s a lot in the Chuckanut wedge of pie, but then May through November that pie can goes pretty slim and the other aspects of life fill in. So I like it that way. I’m kind of a busy body, a busy brain, and it helps for me to have that variety.

Jesse: [00:22:54] Well, since you have a, I’ll call it a variable schedule. How do you — I guess. One, how do you get everything done? But just beyond that? How do you not push the envelope? Because like you said, you kind of knowingly push the envelope and going to end up in a place where you were hurt a little bit. I can absolutely understand that ethos and being endurance athletes. I think sometimes we have a tendency to go too hard and it’s something I’ve had to learn over the years about when to back off.

[00:23:33] So I guess I’m curious about your approach to balancing the load, whether you want to talk about that in terms of the metaphor of mileage or whether it’s some other kind of verbiage, but just the stress of life, like how do how do you manage that load so that you don’t end up over the edge of the cliff?

Krissy: [00:23:57] Well, and the example, I guess I just gave, I’m not always doing so or able to fully manage it because I think the thing is there is I was fine. I was up to a point I was doing all right up to getting back from the trail. But then there’s always life. Life throws another thing at you. And I think the big thing I consistently am trying to learn is how to have a little bit more of a cushion and not be pushed right up against the edge.

[00:24:26] Some tools that have become very helpful in the last five years are meditation being a big one, and I think I’ve always had a meditative state with my running, but being more intentional with a sitting practice and that comes and goes. I’m not like a daily 30-minute meditator, but I have it as a tool that I reference and go back to and I can tell when I haven’t been using that stillness to help ground myself.

[00:24:54] Something else I’ve found really helpful is being really aware of where I’m at in my as a female, in my menstrual cycle and how my hormones might be impacting what’s going on. And that’s something that I was not taught as a kid. You just dealt with this monthly thing. There’s so much happening for women on a daily basis that needs to be accounted for, and the more awareness we can draw around that really helps balance our at least bring awareness to our energy levels. Like if you’re feeling I call it cross-eyed, tired, and you can relate it to what day in the cycle.

[00:25:28] Just know that you don’t push yourself or schedule an extra social event that night. So I’d say awareness and meditation, I guess, which awareness comes through. Great meditation. Those are some key tricks that have, I say come into my life in the last like five, five, ten years that have been really helpful.

Jesse: [00:25:52] As you mentioned, it made me think about it. So you’re talking about kind of seeing where you are on your menstrual cycle. It reminded me of a conversation I had with Dr. Chris Minson, who’s a professor at the University of Oregon. And he spends a lot of his time basically trying to figure out specifically, like, sports adaptations for female athletes, because there’s so there’s such a large gap in research literature that has to pertain specifically to these adaptations that women go through versus men. And what he talked about is episode 130 for anybody who wants to check it out.

[00:26:38] He talked about just like the kind of old school thinking is just to treat women like small men, which isn’t accurate, but it’s also like. I think again for you listening, check out the conversation because my memory is foggy. That’s why we have nice recordings. But I think he I remember him mentioning that like, yes, there is clearly like some effect, but it also isn’t like, “Oh, women are fragile because they have a period”, like it’s not that situation. It’s just trying to determine are there like optimal times for particular loads and recovery and all that kind of thing?

[00:27:23] So hopefully we get more and more info out of him. But I think. On a personal level, you’re probably on the right, right path instead of trying to take that kind of — I would say old school approach because everybody has their own rhythm.

Krissy: [00:27:44] Totally. And men do too. There’s just not this monthly marker that men have to reference as well as a menstruating female and not all females menstruate. So there’s different aspects and factors. I’ll go back and listen to that one. I’m a big advocate or I’ve gained my most helpful information from Dr. Stacy Sims. She has an institute in New Zealand and her co-writer Selene Yeager.

[00:28:10] They have two books out now. The second one just came out ROAR and NEXT LEVEL, and those have been those. And then the flurry of podcasts that are coming around that and other readings and the research that they reference have all been really helpful is I try and figure out more about how the female athlete body changes and initially there weren’t a lot of females doing huge endurance efforts. And more importantly, there was very, very like Dr. Chris was saying, there’s very little research being done on women because they’re they are so variable throughout the month. It’s hard to study, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.

Jesse: [00:28:49] Yeah, well, I think I think that was one of like one of the things, if I remember, one of the things we talked about is like basically, people would like the researchers originally would go like. Because of the variability. We just want to go forget it. Like don’t even worry about it. And I can’t remember what he does or if he does anything specifically. I think he makes notations in his research, but I don’t think he tries to like. Hyper control for like it’s always like the 15th day of this particular athlete cycle that we do testing.

[00:29:27] I don’t think he goes to that length. I think I remember him saying that, like, it’s important to take the data about where the athlete is, but that that hyper control isn’t necessary for the vast majority of what he’s studying. And he’s got I wish you could see in person he talked about he has this like climate lab basically where he can crank the humidity up, crank the heat up, crank it down or whatever and test people under all kinds of different conditions. So.

Krissy: [00:29:59] I’ll definitely go back and listen to that episode.

Jesse: [00:30:02] Yeah, I’m sure you could probably get it. You could probably get in the lab just like I want to try this. Like, if you’re getting ready for a hot, humid race, you could probably be like. Come, come, run some. Get in the lab, run some stuff on me. I’m sure he probably knows who you are so.

Krissy: [00:30:21] That’d be fascinating.

Jesse: [00:30:25] Yeah. So I want — I do want to ask you a little bit about the book before we run out of time. Running your First Ultra as listeners of podcasts, I’d like to read before I had guests on. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to do that time this time. But I want to ask you about. Why write the book? There’s all kinds of books. So just to play devil’s advocate, I guess, why write? Why add another book to all the books that we have? And what’s kind of your approach to running your first ultra?

Krissy: [00:30:58] It was actually a super cool opportunity. The publisher, Peachtree Publishing, approached me in 2014, ’13 or ’14? ’14 to write the first edition, and that was based on a blog. I remember when blogs were the big thing. I think they’re coming back around. But I was writing a blog and they liked my style and they asked what kind of book I would like to write and just to be approached by a publisher I’ve learned from trying to write a second book is really it’s really hard to get published.

[00:31:30] So to have a publisher come to you like, don’t pass up that opportunity. And they had somebody that was on board to write basically the same training manual. And they asked me if there was something else I would like to write. And I wrote back a pretty passionate email about why I was the author that should write training for your first ultra. 

[00:31:54] One, because I coach, I coach. I was coaching athletes at the time and most of them were like just getting into ultras, putting on the Chuckanut 50k. It’s, it’s kind of known as a great first 50k because of the accessibility to town and how many, how much support we have and volunteers and everything. So I made this case for why I was the author to write it, and then I didn’t hear from them for like three weeks or something. And then at one point I got an email back saying, “Sometimes the stars align”, and the other author decided to opt out of her contract and it opened up the door for me to get to write it.

[00:32:34] And it was such a passion project, and I really drew on those early clients that I had been working with at that point. I had been coaching for five years and just lessons I learned through my own experiences and wanting to share in the book. Like there was a lot of mishaps along the way from like chafing in the wrong clothing and nutrition and throwing up all the things that I could write in a way that somebody wouldn’t have to go through as many hardships to fall in love with the sport.

[00:33:04] And that was kind of the initial approach. And then in 2020, I was so surprised. I mean, the book had been out for five years at that point. And how many people wrote amidst the pandemic that that book was really helping them to train, even though there wasn’t a race to train for? And I wrote to the publisher and said, “Hey, I’m just kind of baffled by the number of people I’m hearing from.” And you’ve got to think that if, like one person writes you, there’s at least 3 to 5 more that are kind of thinking the same thing.

[00:33:37] And I said, “Could we do some sort of supplemental piece to add on to what’s going on here?” And they came back and said, “Let’s write the second edition.” So I buckled down and wrote the second edition during kind of I guess that was. Ooh. Right after Christmas of 2020. So yeah. Early 2021. And then the book released March of 2022. So and that was an opportunity to update information. One of my favorite just little snippets was I —

[00:34:10] And the first edition had said, you know, as you’re figuring out what you’re running pack to carry, make sure you have room for a phone, a GPS, a camera, all these things. And it’s like now only five years later, your phone is the thing that does all of that one. But just in 2014, when I wrote the book, that wasn’t the case. Like, you needed all those things along with you. So I thought that was like getting to update the information.

[00:34:38] Another big one was writing all the information together. In the first edition. I felt it was necessary to have a chapter just for women. And just like bringing it up on this podcast, like things that I deal with as a female with my menstrual cycle, I wouldn’t have never done that. Like, I wouldn’t have talked openly about that on some sort of interview or in an article. And so just knowing that, “Hey, we’re all trail runners and we can all learn from the information.”

[00:35:04] RED-s is a relative energy deficiency syndrome is a very relevant thing for anybody that’s outputting and not putting enough calories or energy in. So if, like any, any person should be able to read about what another person in the sport is going through. So putting the information throughout the book as opposed to feeling there had to be a separate chapter for women because we have these like specific or special needs, like we’re all humans, we’re all doing the thing. So those are kind of fun, like advances to do to see through the book just five years later.

Jesse: [00:35:45] I’m trying to be quick and I’ve lost her name. There was a former pro triathlete I talked to and she is doing research on RED cells trying to find the episode. I’ve talked to so many people that on my name start to get lost out of my brain, unfortunately. Where are you? There you are. Alex Coates of Seattle, 111. She’s a Canadian, former Canadian pro triathlete, as well as her sister. And they both went through bouts of RED-s. And so now she does research on it.

[00:36:23] And yeah, it’s, it’s a big, big deal. I don’t think it’s like. Been addressed enough. But then it seems like there’s a lot more people focusing on how do we avoid it, number one. But then just the awareness that it is a potential problem, especially for competitive endurance athletes or endurance athletes in general, if you don’t take steps to avoid it from the beginning.

Krissy: [00:36:52] And there’s a lot of psychology that could potentially be wrapped up in it. Yeah.

Jesse: [00:36:56] Yeah. Krissy, we’re running out of time. So we’ll go to my final question. If you watched all the Kyle’s episode and you already know the question, but for clarity sake, I ask a single question to all guests for each season. And this season’s question, which I’ll ask you, is, how do you celebrate your wins?

Krissy: [00:37:17] Yeah, I remember that for Kyle’s and his quick response, that was great. How do I celebrate my wins? Like just acknowledging them. I try. Let me think as it comes to I’m thinking of my coaching clients and the people that I get to work with on a almost daily basis. Definitely weekly. Some most of the time daily basis and how helping people see their wins is such a wonderful way of celebrating them.

[00:37:50] A lot of times we skip over things because we don’t think they’re a big deal or we minimize them or so just the acknowledgment is huge. Next level, I like to send cards to people when they’ve done something good. I’m a I’m a good postal service supporter. And just yeah. Acknowledgment, I think is a really important, important piece to celebrate your win. PD has something to say about it too.

Jesse: [00:38:16] I tell you how PD supports it or celebrates his wins. Krissy, if people want to reach out, get in touch. Talk to you about coaching, any of that kind of stuff. Where can they find you?

Krissy: [00:38:31] Awesome. Thanks for that. My name. If you can spell it, you can find me. It’s a funny spelling. M-O-E-H-L. So Krissy Moehl everything. Krissy Moehl at Instagram and I’m not actually really on Twitter I would just it exists but I don’t —

Jesse: [00:38:47] I want to check it out that post I think was what I found about —

Krissy: [00:38:50] Yeah. Chuckanut 50k is another way to connect with some of the stuff I’m doing. But my website’s, K-R-I-S-S-Y M-O-E-H-L dot com and everything’s on there. Thanks. Yeah, you can actually order a book directly from me and I can. I will sign it and mail it off personally. So that’s kind of a fun way for me to get the books out there. It’s also available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and other major sellers.

Jesse: [00:39:20] You might as well get a signed copy. Like.

Krissy: [00:39:23] Yeah, it’s fun for me to connect to people because typically then I’ll also get to hear back of how their first ultra went and those are the best stories. They always seem to come on the days I need them the most to.

Jesse: [00:39:37] Krissy, thanks for hanging out.

Krissy: [00:39:39] Awesome! Thank you so much for the time.

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